Saturday, March 05, 2016

Obama and Clinton learned very different lessons from the Libya war

[Hillary: How'd that plan work for you in Iraq? ---Bozo]

Zack Beauchamp · Monday, February 29, 2016, 3:22 pm

In 2011, the United States and several European countries intervened in Libya's civil war, ultimately helping to topple dictator Muammar Qaddafi. Today, everybody agrees that Libya is a disaster. It has two competing, warring governments — neither of which actually runs the country. Militias roam freely. ISIS controls an entire city (Sirte), as well as a 175-mile strip across the eastern coastline.

So what should the United States take from this experience? This question turns out to divide the two people most responsible for launching the US intervention: Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Both Obama and Clinton agree on what went wrong in Libya. Both think the US was unprepared for the aftermath of Qaddafi's fall, and that the international community failed to head off the chaos that predictably came from regime change.

But where Obama sees a cautionary tale about the limits of US power, Clinton sees a story about America failing to use that power when it should have. And that speaks to perhaps one of the most profound foreign policy differences between Obama and his possible heir to the mantle of Democratic leadership.

Obama's lesson: There are limits to American power


This issue has been raised mostly recently by an excellent New York Times series (in two parts, here and here) on the US decision to intervene and its aftermath. It positions Clinton and Obama as the key decision-makers; while Obama ultimately had to approve the US mission, it was Clinton who convinced the somewhat reluctant president to do it.

As the postwar situation worsened, the Times piece notes, the two leaders started to take somewhat different tones. Obama didn't quite regret the intervention — he told Thomas Friedman in 2014 that there would have been "more death, more disruption, more destruction" without it — but expressed regret for his management of the aftermath.

"We [and] our European partners underestimated the need to come in full force if you’re going to do this," Obama said. "That’s a lesson that I now apply every time I ask the question, ‘Should we intervene, militarily? Do we have an answer [for] the day after?'"

The answer, Obama has suggested in subsequent interviews, is that we may not have that answer.

"We're going to have to have some humility in recognizing that we don't have the option of simply invading every country where disorder breaks out," he said in a 2015 interview with Vox's Matt Yglesias. "To some degree, the people of these countries are going to have to, you know, find their own way."

His implication seems to be that the United States is not in a position to lead a major reconstruction effort in every Libya-like failed state, nor would such an effort necessarily even work.

Clinton's lesson: American inaction is the real problem

Clinton's lesson, by contrast, isn't that the US couldn't have handled the aftermath of the Libya intervention properly; it's that it didn't.

The Times piece articulates this well:

"I think it sometimes shows American impatience," she said in 2014, "that, ‘O.K., you got rid of this dictator who destroyed institutions. Why aren’t you behaving like a mature democracy?’ That doesn’t happen overnight."

Yet if, for Mr. Obama, the Libyan experience has underscored doubts about the United States’ power to shape outcomes in other countries, it has demonstrated for Mrs. Clinton just how crucial an American presence can be.

"We have learned the hard way when America is absent, especially from unstable places, there are consequences," she said at a House hearing on Benghazi in October, articulating what sounded like a guiding principle. "Extremism takes root, aggressors seek to fill the vacuum, and security everywhere is threatened, including here at home."

This fits with Clinton's broader understanding of foreign policy, one that (per the Times piece) dates at least back to the 1994 Rwandan genocide. Clinton, in Libya and other cases, sees failure as primarily the consequences of American inaction rather than the limits of US might.

Read more
http://www.vox.com/2016/2/29/11134492/obama-clinton-libya-lessons

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